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		<title>By: MissingBob</title>
		<link>http://www.the-generous-husband.com/2009/11/15/what-you-think-vs-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>MissingBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! Congrats on coming to this most incredible of insights. It&#039;s unfortunate that we don&#039;t teach this to all kids, to realize that &quot;the map is not the territory&quot;.

To Thatrtf - it&#039;s too bad you disagreed with your boss, because perception really *is* reality, and some of the most technical researchers in quantum mechanics will tell you this is so, even though it upsets the observer/observed apple cart our science is based on. It&#039;s an in-depth subject that has taken me 10 years and 5 books on quantum mechanics to come to terms with, as much as I find it intellectually unsatisfying.

There is *no* deep, underlying reality...reality truly is a function of observation. And everyone has their own perception of circumstance-accepting this and looking for common ground among our perceptions enables us as couples to build and maintain better bonds, with less conflict.


Eleutheros: Great points that can be summed up by an aphorism from the programming world: GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Congrats on coming to this most incredible of insights. It&#8217;s unfortunate that we don&#8217;t teach this to all kids, to realize that &#8220;the map is not the territory&#8221;.</p>
<p>To Thatrtf &#8211; it&#8217;s too bad you disagreed with your boss, because perception really *is* reality, and some of the most technical researchers in quantum mechanics will tell you this is so, even though it upsets the observer/observed apple cart our science is based on. It&#8217;s an in-depth subject that has taken me 10 years and 5 books on quantum mechanics to come to terms with, as much as I find it intellectually unsatisfying.</p>
<p>There is *no* deep, underlying reality&#8230;reality truly is a function of observation. And everyone has their own perception of circumstance-accepting this and looking for common ground among our perceptions enables us as couples to build and maintain better bonds, with less conflict.</p>
<p>Eleutheros: Great points that can be summed up by an aphorism from the programming world: GIGO &#8211; Garbage In, Garbage Out!</p>
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		<title>By: Eleutheros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleutheros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. You are speaking exactly of what I call &#039;The Power of Conclusion&#039;. Does anyone remember a thread I started on TMB about 4 years ago with that title?

Well, in it I discussed the &#039;dirty little secret&#039; of logic -and we all use logic every single day, &lt;i&gt;because we think&lt;/i&gt; every single day.

The dirty little secret is that logic works independently of the truth. That is, a logical conclusion is only truthful if the facts (facts are one kind of truth)are correct and if the axioms, which are statements &lt;i&gt;we concoct&lt;/i&gt; that are supposed to accurately reflect reality, actually reflect reality accurately.

However, if &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; of the facts are incorrect or if &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; of the axioms are incorrect, or incomplete, one will, through the compelling nature of logic, still arrive at a logical conclusion, but that conclusion will not be the truth.

The way I get around this, for being aware of this dirty little secret, is to examine the &lt;i&gt;conclusions&lt;/i&gt; for truth, &lt;i&gt;not the logic itself&lt;/i&gt;, because, as I said, logic works independently of the truth. Which means that good logic, correctly applied, is not an indication that the conclusion is the truth.
The weakest link in the chain of logic are the axioms that we concoct, whether they be axioms about our spouse, as Paul discussed, or axioms about theology, or axioms about our president, or axioms about our God.

Truthful axioms combined with genuine verifiable facts, will, through logic, yield truthful conclusions that can be counted on; conclusions that you can put your faith in, whether they be things good or bad about your spouse or things good or bad about your theology which affect, through the power of conclusion, what you believe about your God.

But, any wrong facts or any axioms that don&#039;t accurately reflect reality will, likewise, through logic, lead you to a conclusion. But that conclusion will be a false one because it was built on an untruth, whether it be an untruth about your spouse or about your God.

Perhaps, then, this notion, when installed in your thinking, will help you to better sort truth from lies, concerning both your spouse and your God and help you to be good, both for your spouse and for your God, just as you were created to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. You are speaking exactly of what I call &#8216;The Power of Conclusion&#8217;. Does anyone remember a thread I started on TMB about 4 years ago with that title?</p>
<p>Well, in it I discussed the &#8216;dirty little secret&#8217; of logic -and we all use logic every single day, <i>because we think</i> every single day.</p>
<p>The dirty little secret is that logic works independently of the truth. That is, a logical conclusion is only truthful if the facts (facts are one kind of truth)are correct and if the axioms, which are statements <i>we concoct</i> that are supposed to accurately reflect reality, actually reflect reality accurately.</p>
<p>However, if <i>any</i> of the facts are incorrect or if <i>any</i> of the axioms are incorrect, or incomplete, one will, through the compelling nature of logic, still arrive at a logical conclusion, but that conclusion will not be the truth.</p>
<p>The way I get around this, for being aware of this dirty little secret, is to examine the <i>conclusions</i> for truth, <i>not the logic itself</i>, because, as I said, logic works independently of the truth. Which means that good logic, correctly applied, is not an indication that the conclusion is the truth.<br />
The weakest link in the chain of logic are the axioms that we concoct, whether they be axioms about our spouse, as Paul discussed, or axioms about theology, or axioms about our president, or axioms about our God.</p>
<p>Truthful axioms combined with genuine verifiable facts, will, through logic, yield truthful conclusions that can be counted on; conclusions that you can put your faith in, whether they be things good or bad about your spouse or things good or bad about your theology which affect, through the power of conclusion, what you believe about your God.</p>
<p>But, any wrong facts or any axioms that don&#8217;t accurately reflect reality will, likewise, through logic, lead you to a conclusion. But that conclusion will be a false one because it was built on an untruth, whether it be an untruth about your spouse or about your God.</p>
<p>Perhaps, then, this notion, when installed in your thinking, will help you to better sort truth from lies, concerning both your spouse and your God and help you to be good, both for your spouse and for your God, just as you were created to be.</p>
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		<title>By: itabuhob</title>
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		<dc:creator>itabuhob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Learn to challenge what you think is fact.”  This is a lot easier said than done.  An individuals collection of “facts” creates their “reality”.  I think Robin Williams said it best, &quot;Reality...what a Concept&quot;.   Internal deception/lies don’t just appear, they are motivated.  You don’t just wake up and realize that, “my car really needs to be replaced”.   It may have been that yesterday you poured a small fortune into the old clunker and you realize that it would be wiser to replace the car than pour more money down the drain.  It may have been that you saw another car in a commercial or as you were passing a dealership.   In the former case the facts are that you need a new car in the latter you “want” a new car.  In the example above the “facts” are very clear but in interpersonal relationships the “facts” are just subjective interpretations of event we experience.   Our interpretations/judgements say more about us than we realize.  When someone points a finger at someone they have 3 fingers pointing back at themselves.  So when you are thinking that your spouse is being ......... xyz (you fill in the description) think about how YOU may be doing that yourself.  This may help you to “challenge what you think is fact.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Learn to challenge what you think is fact.”  This is a lot easier said than done.  An individuals collection of “facts” creates their “reality”.  I think Robin Williams said it best, &#8220;Reality&#8230;what a Concept&#8221;.   Internal deception/lies don’t just appear, they are motivated.  You don’t just wake up and realize that, “my car really needs to be replaced”.   It may have been that yesterday you poured a small fortune into the old clunker and you realize that it would be wiser to replace the car than pour more money down the drain.  It may have been that you saw another car in a commercial or as you were passing a dealership.   In the former case the facts are that you need a new car in the latter you “want” a new car.  In the example above the “facts” are very clear but in interpersonal relationships the “facts” are just subjective interpretations of event we experience.   Our interpretations/judgements say more about us than we realize.  When someone points a finger at someone they have 3 fingers pointing back at themselves.  So when you are thinking that your spouse is being &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; xyz (you fill in the description) think about how YOU may be doing that yourself.  This may help you to “challenge what you think is fact.”</p>
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		<title>By: thartf</title>
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		<dc:creator>thartf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a boss once that used that line, &quot;Perception is Reality&quot;. I argued with him on that and we finally agreed that &quot;Perception is PERCEIVED Reality&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a boss once that used that line, &#8220;Perception is Reality&#8221;. I argued with him on that and we finally agreed that &#8220;Perception is PERCEIVED Reality&#8221;.</p>
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