Jesus: The Right Example

Recently in the comments, there’s been some discussion (to put it kindly) about what headship should look like. Some have kicked around the manosphere terms Alpha and Beta.

A couple of definitions:

Alpha Man: A “man’s man”. Powerful, dominant, confident, good looking, doesn’t show much emotion. Supposedly the kind of man every woman wants to have sex with RIGHT.NOW.AND.RIGHT.HERE.

Beta Man: Nice, kind, a good listener, shows emotions, great with kids. Supposedly the kind of man every woman wants to help her raise her children. (Ideally children she had by an Alpha according to many.)

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If your goal in life is to have sex with as many women as possible, the manosphere suggests you be 100% Alpha. If you seek marriage, the manosphere suggests a mix of Alpha and Beta. Enough Alpha to get plenty of sex, enough Beta to make her feel safe and comfortable. This means male traits are either Alpha or Beta, and the perfect husband mixes some of each.

Personally, I think a better way to become the perfect husband is to look at Jesus. Are we not told to emulate Jesus in how we treat our wives?

When I think of Jesus, I find it hard to see Him as either an Alpha or Beta – or a mix of both. Jesus was gentle – “He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets; a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench…” [Mt 12:19&20a ESV]. Jesus was harsh with religious leaders who were leading people astray, but He was kind and gentle with others. The disciples said and did all manner of clueless things, but Jesus’ rebukes were few and gentle. Jesus is not the hard Alpha leader the manosphere tells me I must be to be a godly husband.

However, Jesus was in no way wimpy. He spoke truth unapologetically, and He called people on their sins: “…go, and sin no more.” [Jn 8:1 KJV], “One thing you still lack.” [Lk 18:22 ESV], “I have this against you…” [Rev 2:4&22 ESV]. Jesus is no let-things-slide-to-keep-the-peace Beta.

Some try to make parts of Jesus behaviour Alpha or Beta, but honestly, you have to stretch to make these points. Jesus is not a careful balance of Alpha and Beta; Jesus is something else. Jesus is also our example. I suggest we ditch the whole Alpha/Beta concept and search the Bible to learn how to be a proper husband.

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Celebrating the Spiritual Side Of Sex ◄ A guest post by Shannon Ethridge on how to know if what you are doing sexually is okay.
Celebrating the Mental Side of Sex ◄ A guest post by Shannon Ethridge – Why do humans think about sex so much?


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We Need a Break From the Four Kids ◄ Some good third alternative thinking here.

13 Comments on “Jesus: The Right Example

  1. Personally I think what the manosphere in general is struggling to describe is a man who is a mix of Leader and Servant. I can’t think better example of a Servant-Leader than Christ, can you?

  2. TheGenerousHusband  JTalkington I didn’t say that they were describing it accurately (although some do better than others). Also, I don’t think most of those writers would use the servant and leader descriptions in place of alpha and beta. But I still think that those are the concepts that they are struggling to get a handle on.

    Personally, I see the “manoshpere” in three camps, the PUA (pick up artist), the men’s rights/divorce equality groups, and a small number of pro-monogamy pro-marriage writers. The PUA crowd seems to be all about “getting” as many women as possible in the shortest period of time, and is frankly offensive to me. The second group is angry at women and society and that anger certainly comes across in their writings and attitude. The third group is the one that interests me.

    That third group is considerably more balanced in their approach to male/female relationships. As with any teaching/studying, you have to compare the concepts presented with biblical truth. There is one blog in particular that seems to have concluded that the best path forward for society is to have monogamous marriage with strong male leadership paired with a strong female partner, that the ideal sexual partner count is 1, and that there be a healthy mix of “leadership” combined with “relationship comfort”. While I disagree with how he arrived at these conclusions, I find it interesting that he came at the problem of helping struggling marriages from a secular standpoint but described a working headship style relationship fairly accurately.

    I wouldn’t recommend anyone take even the most moderate of these writings as gospel, but I do think there are some things that can be learned from their observations. I’ve read a fair number of marriage books and blogs both Christian and secular, and with all of them I have to compare what is taught with biblical truth and then evaluate what will and won’t work in my marriage.

  3. JTalkington TheGenerousHusband Do those in the third group call themselves part of the manosphere? Does not seem they fit very well, and I wonder why they would self-identify with others who are so different.

  4. TheGenerousHusband JTalkington The one I follow most closely does but is distancing himself somewhat. Many of the manosphere blogs do reference his work frequently.

    Notably, he also breaks from the Alpha=good/Beta=bad rhetoric.

    I actually think it would be instructive for the two of you to interview one another and generate posts based on what you found to agree about and what you disagreed on. I think that it would be interesting to see where exactly the overlap exists.

  5. There are several good manosphere blogs that are very much about Christ and being like Christ.  Servanthood is not the main topic because you get that everywhere, in every church, on every christian blog.  What you don’t get is headship and leadership, and that is the focus along with teaching the pitfalls of modern christian teaching to men which only focuses on servanthood and nothing else & also the teaching that is completely off in regards to women and how they are pandered to.  If you don’t know what the Bible actually teaches, which most modern folks don’t, it’s easy to get the wool pulled over your eyes as most men have & you end up with current mess we have in church, church leadership, teachers, and marriage.  The manosphere, the third part of it, is about teaching the 80% of marriage and biblical manhood that you are not teaching and they are not hearing on Sunday’s.  Alpha & Beta is just about 5% of the conversation and is far from being the main thrust of what the manosphere teaches.

    The emphasis is not on servanthood because most men hear that endlessly.

  6. There are several good manosphere blogs that are very much about Christ and being like Christ.  Servanthood is not the main topic because you get that everywhere, in every church, on every christian blog.  What you don’t get is headship and leadership, and that is the focus along with teaching the pitfalls of modern christian teaching to men which only focuses on servanthood and nothing else & also the teaching that is completely off in regards to women and how they are pandered to.  If you don’t know what the Bible actually teaches, which most modern folks don’t, it’s easy to get the wool pulled over your eyes as most men have & you end up with current mess we have in church, church leadership, teachers, and marriage.  The manosphere, the third part of it, is about teaching the 80% of marriage and biblical manhood that you are not teaching and they are not hearing on Sunday’s.  Alpha & Beta is just about 5% of the conversation and is far from being the main thrust of what the manosphere teaches.

    The emphasis is not on servanthood because most men hear that endlessly.

  7. High Country  “The emphasis is not on servanthood because most men hear that endlessly.”

    But are they hearing the truth on serventhood, or are they hearing just enough to inoculate them to the whole idea? Most of what I hear is a pale shadow of the radical concept Jesus lives and we are told to emulate. 

    Building on a false foundation is a problem even if what is built is right and good.

  8. TheGenerousHusband High Country  

    All I can say is it’s all we hear in church and here, and in like sites.  And yes, we eventually stop listening because sooner or later, unless you are married to an absolute angel you realize it’s only part of the equation and no one else is giving you the whole equation.

    The manosphere is not the whole equation.  But it is definetly part.  And I am not speaking to the non-christian or  PUA sites.  But there is priceless information for the majority of men on headship, the pitfalls of the modern church, marriage and mindframe of modern women and men.  No one else is teaching it and it doesn’t take a rocket scientest to look around and see masculinity is missing and under attack , and “servanthood” is not the answer.  Servanthood is what you teach to  a man to gentle him, take off the rough edges.  Most modern men are so far wussified in their marriages, church, etc and once you begin to get an idea of what is going on you realize it’s the teaching they are receiving, in church, in school, in the media.  Servanthood is important but it’s not everything.  
    Obviously, there are men out there who need the sevanthood message but there are way more that need the rest.  And yes there ar errors, but for many men they are learning masculinity from scratch and there are bound to be errors when doing so.  And yes there is whining and complaining…but I never here you complain when it’s women doing that.  millions of men have been dragged thru hell by modern marriage and the legal system that supports it.  If you stick there long enough you see guys get rid of the bitterness and hurt and move on to becoming men but most yes there is a constant teaching of what is wrong with the current marriage/church/system because it’s a constant teaching process that goes against what guys are taught from a young age anymore and there are thousands of men waking up daily.

  9. High Country TheGenerousHusband  I think you may have rather selective hearing – listening
    for what you think is wrong and not hearing much else. You certainly do that
    here, so it seems safe to assume you may do it in churches and elsewhere.
    Perhaps you do the opposite in other places, looking for what is right and
    ignoring or dismissing what is not.
    Of course, confirmation bias is human nature and we all do
    it. I certainly fight it regularly, and I am sure I totally miss it far too
    often.
    Is the manosphere helping some men and some marriages? No
    doubt it is. Is it hurting some? Clearly yes. Is the more Christina arm doing
    more good than harm? I hope so. My concern is they are in bed with the
    non-Christian parts due to the ever-popular enemy of my enemy is my friend kind
    of thinking.
    I am concerned any time I see Christians uniting with the
    world against the Church. Even when the church is wrong, this is a very bad
    plan, and it is never what God calls us to.
    I fear some see the message of the manosphere as more
    important than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They would deny that, but their
    where they put their time tells the real story.
    To me John Eldredge (Wild at Heart – ransomedheart.com‎)
    would be a much better way for men to learn to be men. Maybe he would be more
    popular with manosphere types if he blamed women for men’s problems.

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